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[Tim]

Ok so since we've had our original 16 I've had quite a few people ask about joining. SGTSteve is willing to run a second league so why not. If you are interested in joining this league please make a post that shows so and includes your email address. (You can pm it to me if you would rather do that) You need to be in it for the long haul if you join. I guess once people join they can just start voting on the open threads (currently the divisions/conferences and keeper or one year league threads). It's been kinda slow lately, but it should speed up after this.

Also, people that are already in the league need to just make a post here showing that they are still interested. Please include your email. I'll post below the people that are already in the league and the people that have expressed interest.

Originals
ldbc
flubber
hovercraft
internalprime8
rocketman9
UK Rob
Wings9798
mj12
john29
gnial
afox
dlscowby22
flames89champs
leafs
Tim
dpclark11
Oil_Fan

New Managers
Amarius87
Ween
SGTSteve
cbxero
DaLeafers
Hip Hip Rinne
NightParade
Cowtown
TTupa
Lex216
Canucks108
Andymak
Thirteen
The Olympia
The Great Gazoo
BleedBlue&White
Esposito
Rabbit
Cgjoe
Spacemoose
72 B's




I'll just put a smiley face next to everyone that has checked in or signed up to make it easier to keep track. It's only possible to use 4 images so I guess I can't do this lol.

[Rocketman9]

I'm still in. I will PM you my email.

[hovercraft]

I am still in.

hovercrafteels@hotmail.com

[DaLeafers]

Very much so interested.
Will PM email

[UK Rob]

It may take a while to reach you across the vast ocean but I'm still here. :D

E-mail in PM.

[SGTSteve0]

I'm still down.

[mbr311]

See I struggle with this

I don't like mixing business with pleasure if you will...and I'm just worried I'd lose the ability to use this site the way I am right now. If I'm suddenly in a league with everyone I communicate with on this site, how do I get the advice/feedback I need? ;)

[cbxero]

I'm in.

Email being PMed.

[Tim]

See I struggle with this

I don't like mixing business with pleasure if you will...and I'm just worried I'd lose the ability to use this site the way I am right now. If I'm suddenly in a league with everyone I communicate with on this site, how do I get the advice/feedback I need? ;)

I originally thought of that too. We will all be in the same boat though.

[Tim]

I'm still down.

I need your email either here or through pm.

[internalprime8]

Still in it to win it.

Oh and my email is 1brettsmith@gmail.com

[SGTSteve0]

I originally thought of that too. We will all be in the same boat though.

I will be using this site like normal. When you have a resource like mike you can ask, it's foolish not to!

[flubber]

Did you really need to ask ?? pm with email

[flubber]

See I struggle with this

I don't like mixing business with pleasure if you will...and I'm just worried I'd lose the ability to use this site the way I am right now. If I'm suddenly in a league with everyone I communicate with on this site, how do I get the advice/feedback I need? ;)

I thought about this-- You can still freely ask about drop/start decisions. The only thing that will be limited is the ability to reval your thinking on trades or FA pickups. Although it would be illuminating to see who you are REALLY willing to offer if I decline your first offer LOL. On FA pickups, you can still ask but just know that someone else might see your thread and beat you to the guy. I don't really see that as a HUGE risk-- but it does exist

Play and have fun

[mbr311]

I hear what you're saying I just dunno...I don't really use this site for trade advice as much as I use it to discuss FA acquisitions, goalie starts - and in-depth to the point of discussing statistically how a start on a Sunday would effect the bottom line. I love the statistical component of fantasy hockey almost as much as the sport itself. I know that probably sounds weird. But there's advice, discussion, etc revolving around these types of stats quite frequently that you'd now have to keep under wraps. That is personally how I devise plans and make final decisions - statistics. I don't want to lose that. Plus what if you are talking about picking up a FA and someone goes and picks him up b/c of the convo?

It's me more than anything. Probably because of what happened in my league this year. I saw the absolute worst of it and saw relationships literally tank. It was pathetic that a game caused that. But it did. I just need to think about it some more. I simply really love this site and pretty much everyone on here (spammers die!) I just don't want to put any of that in jeopardy.

[SGTSteve0]

I hear what you're saying I just dunno...I don't really use this site for trade advice as much as I use it to discuss FA acquisitions, goalie starts - and in-depth to the point of discussing statistically how a start on a Sunday would effect the bottom line

It's me more than anything. Probably because of what happened in my league this year. I saw the absolute worst of it and saw relationships literally tank. It was pathetic that a game caused that. But it did. I just need to think about it some more. I simply really love this site and pretty much everyone on here (spammers die!) I just don't want to put any of that in jeopardy.

There is an easy soluion to this. PM the guys from the OTHER league who you trust with what your thoughts are. There are a LOT of people on this site that I trust. Even when they give me advice i dont like, I still typically follow it because I feel they have to know something I dont.

[NightParade]

If I was in a league and you were my opponent I'd still give you the best advice I could. There would be one draw back though, if you asked me which of three FA to pick up for eg. I might go, OH, wow, he's a good one, I would recommend him but thanks to you I already picked him up. Given that these aren't money leagues though I don't think it's a big deal. Still mbr311 I am going to give it a pass as well for similar reasons.

[flubber]

If I was in a league and you were my opponent I'd still give you the best advice I could. .

Ditto


There would be one draw back though, if you asked me which of three FA to pick up for eg. I might go, OH, wow, he's a good one, I would recommend him but thanks to you I already picked him up .

Ditto again-- But I don't see that as a huge thing-- If I thought of the FA first shouldn't I get them??? I see the bigger issue for mbr311 is that Mike or rocketman or soemeone gives advice and someone else in his league sees it and acts on it. That kind of sucks in one way since he cannot use this board as he wishes but on the other hand, that other manager could have asked the same question (or come to the same conclusion independently) so I don't see there being "dibs" on advice. .. . and there are always PMs

Personally I look forward to it. Next year in my other leagues will be the first year where I will fully take advantage of this site and all the resources in my other leagues. I hope I do well but even the LWL advantage is no guarantee.


But at the same time I will be curious how I do battling a bunch of managers that have access to all the same resources as I do. I'll have to make trades on my own without really the "crutch" of this particular forum. Succeeding may come from taking a chance and getting away from the conventional wisdom. We will probably all have the same draft kit etc etc but the key will be in the stratgey of how you use those rankings.

I can understand anyone that decides not to play here for any reason ( too busy, prefer other leagues or formats etc etc) That includes those that don't want to play because it inhibts their ability to get advice here, thats your call. Its a game and only do it if you think it will be fun for you . But for me thats part of the challenge. How WILL I do when I am more "on my own". Its not a money league and no one dies if you make a bad decision. If I finish last and some of my decisions suck, I won't like that but at the end of the day, so what?? I'll try to do better next year

[Tim]

There is an easy soluion to this. PM the guys from the OTHER league who you trust with what your thoughts are. There are a LOT of people on this site that I trust. Even when they give me advice i dont like, I still typically follow it because I feel they have to know something I dont.

GREAT point. I was just planning on going without any advice for this league but now I won't have to lol.

[Tim]

I thought about this-- You can still freely ask about drop/start decisions. The only thing that will be limited is the ability to reval your thinking on trades or FA pickups. Although it would be illuminating to see who you are REALLY willing to offer if I decline your first offer LOL. On FA pickups, you can still ask but just know that someone else might see your thread and beat you to the guy. I don't really see that as a HUGE risk-- but it does exist

Play and have fun

This is exactly how I view it as well. We will all be in the same boat and in the end it is really about fun. (and bragging rights when I crush you all of course)

[Tim]

I hear what you're saying I just dunno...I don't really use this site for trade advice as much as I use it to discuss FA acquisitions, goalie starts - and in-depth to the point of discussing statistically how a start on a Sunday would effect the bottom line. I love the statistical component of fantasy hockey almost as much as the sport itself. I know that probably sounds weird. But there's advice, discussion, etc revolving around these types of stats quite frequently that you'd now have to keep under wraps. That is personally how I devise plans and make final decisions - statistics. I don't want to lose that. Plus what if you are talking about picking up a FA and someone goes and picks him up b/c of the convo?

It's me more than anything. Probably because of what happened in my league this year. I saw the absolute worst of it and saw relationships literally tank. It was pathetic that a game caused that. But it did. I just need to think about it some more. I simply really love this site and pretty much everyone on here (spammers die!) I just don't want to put any of that in jeopardy.

I think everyone on here is pretty mature and I really don't see a fight or anything happening. Plus you could always use SGTSteve's idea of pming members of the other league or Mike.

[Leafs]

Sorry for the delay. I'm still in of course. E-mail in PM.

[DaLeafers]

If you're scared of others in the league finding out your plans and either snagging a FA you've been eye-balling or offering a trade to somebody whom, before you read about a potential trade 'in the works' and/or the potential availability of a player/s, don't reveal so much information. Or if you have a friend who has an account on here, ask them to post stuff for you so as to 'hide' yourself a little bit.
**FYI**
Forum rules state you can't have more than 1 account on here so DO NOT THINK ABOUT DOING THAT.
**FYI**

Also, you could look at this as a 'test league' to see how well you do, based on your own personal hunches.
It'd be like an exam where you can bring in a 1 page cheat sheet. It helps w/ some little things but you certainly won't be getting the info you could from a textbook.

It'll certainly be difficult, or even at times annoying, that you can't say everything you'd like to but as some have said, I think we're looking to do this because we enjoy fantasy hockey, the talking of stats, trades and all that comes with it. Yes, it goes without saying that obviously we're all a bit competitive as we're involved in a FANTASY hockey game, but we're doing this to have fun and have some friendly competition. Snagging an FA before somebody else will bring both smiles and frowns. But that's the dog-eat-dog mentality that is fantasy (and real) hockey.

Clearly, the amount we all actually 'know' each other is no where near it is with our real life friends whom we are in some other leagues with. I'm sure we all have our own, personal book of 'unwritten fantasy hockey rules' and I'm sure, no matter how much we hammer things out before we start, there will be a few 'bumps in the road' as we go through with this but that's just part of starting something new -- going through the ups + downs together and coming out at the end in a better position to have a better league the following year.

[amarius87]

im in , 2nd name on new list, joshi_amar87@hotmail.com

[dlscowby22]

Im checking in, thanks tim for the reminder.

[Tim]

Im checking in, thanks tim for the reminder.

No problem. I need your email too though. You can send that through pm if you prefer.

[dpclark11]

Im still in as well, dpclark11@gmail.com.

Tim - I just noticed you've switched from datsyuks dekers to malkins monsters, what was the trade involving dats and malkin? I'm sure it must have been hard to part with your home team hero in dats.

Personally I have found it very hard to try and part with Ovie although if the right deal came along I'm sure I would have to pull the trigger.

Or is the team in your sig a whole different team all together?

[Tim]

Im still in as well, dpclark11@gmail.com.

Tim - I just noticed you've switched from datsyuks dekers to malkins monsters, what was the trade involving dats and malkin? I'm sure it must have been hard to part with your home team hero in dats.

Personally I have found it very hard to try and part with Ovie although if the right deal came along I'm sure I would have to pull the trigger.

Or is the team in your sig a whole different team all together?

You probably haven't noticed but I haven't updated my sig in a very long time before today. Datsyuks Dekers was doing terrible, I was in ninth out of tenth there. So I have my other team in my sig now lol. This team is in third.

[dlscowby22]

DLSCOWBY22@yahoo.com

Please no spammers.

[Wings9798]

I'm still in and will pm you my email

[NightParade]

I'm still in and will pm you my email

Smart move :)

[Ween]

also still interested! sent email

[BZoods]

I would PM you my email but your inbox on here is full or something. So just shoot me a PM whenever you have the chance.

[Flames89Champs]

Yep, still in.

[mj12]

I have not read the etire post - I will go back - but I am in for sure!! :)

[Hip Hip Rinne!]

I'd love to join, PMed Tim my email address.

[Oil_Fan]

I really need to pay attention to the little message at the tome saying I have PM. lol

I'm in too if it's not too late. I'll PM you my email.

[Tim]

Sorry about letting this die, been kinda busy lately lol. So far we have 21 people in and we need 32.

[DaLeafers]

Sorry about letting this die, been kinda busy lately lol. So far we have 21 people in and we need 32.

Need 32 ....? That w/ the mentality that it'll be 2 leagues?

[UK Rob]

What are the details on the split? If it's just Keeper/1 Year I'm willing to do both.

[NightParade]

pm'd my addy, I'm finally in.

[Tim]

Need 32 ....? That w/ the mentality that it'll be 2 leagues?

Yes. We should be able to get enough. Plenty of time left.

[Tim]

What are the details on the split? If it's just Keeper/1 Year I'm willing to do both.

We'll start deciding that pretty soon hopefully. But, yeah if it's an even split we will do it that way. I think there will be enough people like you who are willing to do both so that we can have one keeper and one non-keeper.

[TTupa]

I'm in, will PM with email. Thanks!

[SGTSteve0]

I have been absolutely swamped with work lately, and my hawks havent really been worth watching so I havent had much time to get on here...but I want to just say I am incredibly excited about this. Heck I hope to still be relevant come december with the knowledge base here haha

[Rocketman9]

I have been absolutely swamped with work lately, and my hawks havent really been worth watching so I havent had much time to get on here...but I want to just say I am incredibly excited about this. Heck I hope to still be relevant come december with the knowledge base here haha

Completely agree with this statement. Also very busy with work and conferences and such.

[SGTSteve0]

I also switched carriers and the inability to surf the web during conference calls seems to highly limit my available time for LWL. Damn Sprint. haha

[Thirteen]

email pm'd.

I'd be into this.

[Cowtown]

pm'd my addy, I'm finally in.

^What he said.

[canucks108]

Im in, email sent in pm

[andymak]

I want in!

[the Olympia]

I'd love to play. PM'd email to Tim. think I'd prefer 1-year.

[esposito]

I'd like to join, if there's an open spot! PM'd email.

[72 B's]

I think we may have enough for a 3rd league !!! Let me know, I want in.

[Tim]

In the second league the available spots end at Cowtown. If you look at my first post you can see this. As for the rest that have emailed me you will be replacements for now. Gnial and afox haven't said anything but nobody will be kicked out until at least after this years fantasy season is over. It would be possible to start a third league but I'm not sure yet.

[canucks108]

I never got a reply?

[Tim]

I never got a reply?

Your name is in my first post.

[canadian_jabroni_69]

sorry i have been quite busy lately and not around, just read the pm now, my email is mikehaddad17@hotmail.com if there is any room for leagues, or a 3rd one, id be a active manager, or if anyone needs someone, im down

[SGTSteve0]

sorry i have been quite busy lately and not around, just read the pm now, my email is mikehaddad17@hotmail.com if there is any room for leagues, or a 3rd one, id be a active manager, or if anyone needs someone, im down

Tim was organizing a list. At this point im believe I'm still running the second league (unless told otherwise, not appointing myself). I would think as we get a little closer to season we will have some better knowledge of participants from the site once we get leagues set up and rolling. I've been incredibly busy and sadly missed most of the playoffs (saw game 6 though).

The last count that I had gotten we had about 40+ names and most(I believe) we had emails for. Tims been organizing most of this, and has been the POC. I would guess we will see the fantasy hockey leagues open up (on all sites) sometime late august or so. Hopefully over the next month or so we can finalize whatever loose ends remain untied.

[dlscowby22]

Just making sure, i saw my name in the original 16. I'm still very excited about this, and if anything changes, or anyone needs anything please let me know.

[DaLeafers]

so it's $200 an entry, right?




;)

[Tim]

Tim was organizing a list. At this point im believe I'm still running the second league (unless told otherwise, not appointing myself). I would think as we get a little closer to season we will have some better knowledge of participants from the site once we get leagues set up and rolling. I've been incredibly busy and sadly missed most of the playoffs (saw game 6 though).

The last count that I had gotten we had about 40+ names and most(I believe) we had emails for. Tims been organizing most of this, and has been the POC. I would guess we will see the fantasy hockey leagues open up (on all sites) sometime late august or so. Hopefully over the next month or so we can finalize whatever loose ends remain untied.

Yeah I have most of the emails. We have enough for two leagues. One will be a keeper and one a non-keeper. A lot of people told me they didn't have a preference so we should be okay. I don't expect much activity until fantasy hockey season is closer to starting so might have to wait awhile to finish the settings and stuff.

[Tim]

so it's $200 an entry, right? ;)

Lmao nice signature.

[Tim]

The first post on this thread shows if you are checked in or not. Some of the names at the bottom are bolded just because we don't have enough spots with two leagues of 16. We could have a third league, but I'm not sure how that would work since it seemed like it was about 50/50 on keeper or non-keeper.

[flubber]

I don't expect much activity until fantasy hockey season is closer to starting so might have to wait awhile to finish the settings and stuff.


Ya-- think I last checked here weeks ago and I will be headed to the lake in August-- No offense to fantasy hockey but I plan to be on the water !!!

The reality is that you can form a league from scratch in a few days so with all the prework that has happened I think this can come together relatively quickly. The toughest may be who's in rather than any rules or setup things. For certain there will be one or two that won't have shown up and we will have to set a date when they get turfed (it could be as alate as the day before the draft starts but it is quite likely to happen

[dpclark11]

Glad to see were still on for the upcomig Inaugural LWL Fantasy League. @Tim, I saw where you said one league would be keeper and the other non-keeper. Is the original (first) league the keeper league?

[Rocketman9]

Glad to see were still on for the upcomig Inaugural LWL Fantasy League. @Tim, I saw where you said one league would be keeper and the other non-keeper. Is the original (first) league the keeper league?

I don't remember, but I would like to be in possibly both, but at least in the main one. I look forward to a very difficult but fun fantasy season.

[Tim]

Glad to see were still on for the upcomig Inaugural LWL Fantasy League. @Tim, I saw where you said one league would be keeper and the other non-keeper. Is the original (first) league the keeper league?

I don't think their is going to be an "original league" anymore since the original members for the league and the members for the second league are going to be all mixed up in both leagues since they will get to choose what league. Btw Idbc (started all of this) has messaged me recently and it's still his league to run. SGTSteve will be running the other league. I guess it depends on what league those two go into. I just know that Idbc will be running one league if he wants to and one of SGTSteve, Flubber, and myself will be running the other league.



I don't remember, but I would like to be in possibly both, but at least in the main one. I look forward to a very difficult but fun fantasy season.

There really isn't a main league anymore. See what I said above. I'm also not sure if we can have people in two leagues since that would be taking a spot away from somebody and we already have too many people.

[Rocketman9]

There really isn't a main league anymore. See what I said above. I'm also not sure if we can have people in two leagues since that would be taking a spot away from somebody and we already have too many people.

No problem, I would like the keeper probably.

[Tim]

No problem, I would like the keeper probably.

I'm still undecided really. I tried a keeper once and I found it to be pretty awful. Nobody wanted to trade, people were inactive, the owner didn't restart the league for a very long time. I was actually accused of helping out a friend because I traded Datsyuk and St. Louis for Giroux and Parise. At the time that was an awful deal for me but this year it would've looked pretty good. I ended up not joining the next year though because I just didn't find it to be any fun and it didn't look like the commish was even going to do it again.

Kinda off topic lol

[Cowtown]

Hey, just checking in to see whether there's been any activity. I'm still around and still interested. Am I correct in assuming you'll send an email out to all who responded positively, or do you want everyone to check here, say, for a PM?

Moo.

[flubber]

I'm still undecided really. I tried a keeper once and I found it to be pretty awful. Nobody wanted to trade, people were inactive, the owner didn't restart the league for a very long time. I was actually accused of helping out a friend because I traded Datsyuk and St. Louis for Giroux and Parise. At the time that was an awful deal for me but this year it would've looked pretty good. I ended up not joining the next year though because I just didn't find it to be any fun and it didn't look like the commish was even going to do it again.

Kinda off topic lol


My experience has that either a one year or a keeper have pretty much equal chances of being great or awful. It all depends on the interest and activity level of the managers-- good managers and a fair commish make any even halfway reasonable settings fun.

After years of one year leagues I did 3 keeper leagues last year . . . all were reasonably good but the activity levels varied a TON

[flubber]

. I just know that Idbc will be running one league if he wants to and one of SGTSteve, Flubber, and myself will be running the other league.

.

I expect I can still contribute a ton but I am starting a new job later in August so I am hoping someone else can take the lead role. I am more than willing to do the grunt work along the way though ( in a league where I was assistant commish and a keeper league , I kept the rosters and draft picks accurate at yahoo during a busy preseason trading session) But all that will depend on what is needed by whomever wants to be in charge

[Cowtown]

My experience has that either a one year or a keeper have pretty much equal chances of being great or awful. It all depends on the interest and activity level of the managers-- good managers and a fair commish make any even halfway reasonable settings fun.

I'm happy to go either way ... if you'll pardon the expression, of course.:rolleyes:

[cbxero]

So has it been decided if these are keeper or one-year leagues? I'm good for either or, I'm just curious.

[Tim]

So has it been decided if these are keeper or one-year leagues? I'm good for either or, I'm just curious.

I think it's pretty close to an even split so one will be keeper and the other non-keeper. Idbc will run one (messaged me recently) and SGTSteve will run the other.

[Rocketman9]

I think it's pretty close to an even split so one will be keeper and the other non-keeper. Idbc will run one (messaged me recently) and SGTSteve will run the other.

Looking forward to it. Should be extremely difficult but fun.

[Tim]

Looking forward to it. Should be extremely difficult but fun.

Agreed, especially with all of us having the same draft kit. I'm assuming most of us ordered one for this league.

[UK Rob]

With the draft kits out let's get working on finalising the scoring system, shall we?

Really excited for this league!

[Tim]

With the draft kits out let's get working on finalising the scoring system, shall we?

Really excited for this league!

I am as well. Not many people are on yet. The forums are getting more active almost every day though so I guess we could start finalizing things.

[hockeyguy]

I received a PM a while back regarding the league but didn't check in here very often through the summer. I might be interested depending on the set-up, cost, etc.

[cgjoe]

I am in. I sent you a PM with my e-mail address.

[Tim]

I received a PM a while back regarding the league but didn't check in here very often through the summer. I might be interested depending on the set-up, cost, etc.

Some of the things have been decided already (stats, roster) and some still need to be. We filled two leagues and we have about 5 more that there isn't a spot for. I think we could do a third league though.

[Tim]

I am in. I sent you a PM with my e-mail address.

You were one of those who sent me a PM after we already filled two leagues. Again, I think we can form a third league though.

[cbxero]

You were one of those who sent me a PM after we already filled two leagues. Again, I think we can form a third league though.

I know there was debate about keeper vs single year but we've almost got enough that if we went non keeper for all of them it could evolve into a champions league type of thing. This year we all play like normal, and next year the best of the best play in one league while everyone else plays in the others. You could do it relegation style where the bottom teams in the champions league are replaced by the top teams in the others... Too complicated? What do you think? Or is there too many who want keeper that it wouldn't work?

[Tim]

I know there was debate about keeper vs single year but we've almost got enough that if we went non keeper for all of them it could evolve into a champions league type of thing. This year we all play like normal, and next year the best of the best play in one league while everyone else plays in the others. You could do it relegation style where the bottom teams in the champions league are replaced by the top teams in the others... Too complicated? What do you think? Or is there too many who want keeper that it wouldn't work?

It's a good idea I'm just not sure who would start in the top league. I think everybody here is pretty hardcore about fantasy hockey considering they post on a fantasy hockey website so it's not like anybody here is miles ahead of anybody else (Well I am but that doesn't count :D). Also I think people will want the keeper instead of single year format.

[flubber]

It's a good idea I'm just not sure who would start in the top league. I think everybody here is pretty hardcore about fantasy hockey considering they post on a fantasy hockey website so it's not like anybody here is miles ahead of anybody else (Well I am but that doesn't count :D). Also I think people will want the keeper instead of single year format.

If you had two non keeper leagues of 16, you would simply assign randomly in year one and then have the top 8 from each make up the premiere division next year while the bottom 8s make up div2. Then in ensuing years you have a predefined number of teams move up and down.

I am actually in a 3 division KEEPER league that is like this. The big wrinkle since it is a keeper is that if you win div 2 you inherit one of the bottom two teams in premier. Similarly the two managers that drop from premier inherit one of the top two teams in div 1. The Managers involved see it as a good challenge to win a division and then the next year take on a last place team and try to avoid relegation and then build. Most think it takes about 3 years to realistically contend.


But here I understood that the intent was one keeper and one non keeper league. Perhaps there may be more than that but I guess we will find out when actual set up is happening later this month and in September

[cbxero]

It's a good idea I'm just not sure who would start in the top league. I think everybody here is pretty hardcore about fantasy hockey considering they post on a fantasy hockey website so it's not like anybody here is miles ahead of anybody else (Well I am but that doesn't count :D). Also I think people will want the keeper instead of single year format.

What I meant was use this first year as qualifying. Say top 4 in each league then becomes the champions league for next year. It becomes a year over year thing trying to hold spot in the top league, while those outside are trying to get in and relegate the bottom teams into the "lower" leagues.

Problem is its almost impossible to do with keepers since guys would have the same players on their teams when they move leagues. If one or all leagues are keepers this all becomes irrelevant anyway haha. Seriously looking forward to this though, these leagues are going to be tough!

EDIT: exactly like flubber had it. You could then say top three move up and bottom three move down. But I do also know there was interest in keeper, myself included.

[flubber]

Problem is its almost impossible to do with keepers since guys would have the same players on their teams when they move
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Not impossible at all. As I said I am in a keeper like this. What happens though is if you win the division, you surrender your team and then inherit one of the bottom two teams in the next higher division. It could be a team you hate. (since we promote two teams, it is the first place team that gets the choice as to whether they take the first pick or their choice of the two teams ... Almost everyone chooses the team since with 8 keepers per team and keepers not yet declared its tough to see much difference in the picks). Of the two relegated teams, the second last place team gets the choice.

So it can be done in a keeper....but it takes a certain mindset to be willing to build a team into a winner and the have to start all over with a last place squad with a new group of opponents

[cgjoe]

We could do three keeper leagues, but limit the number of keepers so they have some impact, but not huge impact when switching between leagues through relegation/promotion. Maybe next year we have 3 leagues, maybe 4-5 keepers on them, and randomly assign managers to the leagues. If there are 12 teams in each league, the top 4 from each league move into the "championship" league the following season. Maybe that league would scrap its keepers just for the one season when it becomes the "championship" league. The top two teams from each non-championship league would bump the bottom four teams from the championship league each year.

I wish I knew enough fantasy hockey nuts to implement something like this myself - maybe we could pull it off here in the LWL Hockey Nut Forum!

[cgjoe]

Oh, and will we all get an extra LWL draft kit for the new league if we've already paid for a draft kit this year???;)

[Tim]

Oh, and will we all get an extra LWL draft kit for the new league if we've already paid for a draft kit this year???;)

It's Buy one get one half off type of deal for an extra draft kit. I'm not sure if that is still going on though, ask Mike.

[cgjoe]

It's Buy one get one half off type of deal for an extra draft kit. I'm not sure if that is still going on though, ask Mike.

That would still be a great deal. Although, if we have the projected stats from our initial draft kit, plus the scoring settings from our other league, we should be able to compute FSI.... But it would be nice to have Mike do it for us! ;)

I'm going to try hard not to join other leagues just because I love completing the drafts. That's how I ended up in three leagues instead of just one last year. Hopefully I'll be in two - my regular league plus one of the LWL leagues...

[Tim]

That would still be a great deal. Although, if we have the projected stats from our initial draft kit, plus the scoring settings from our other league, we should be able to compute FSI.... But it would be nice to have Mike do it for us! ;)

I'm going to try hard not to join other leagues just because I love completing the drafts. That's how I ended up in three leagues instead of just one last year. Hopefully I'll be in two - my regular league plus one of the LWL leagues...

I do this every year lmao. This year I only wanted to do one of the LWL leagues and rerun one of the leagues from last year. I'm now committed to those two plus two others already lol.

[cgjoe]

I do this every year lmao. This year I only wanted to do one of the LWL leagues and rerun one of the leagues from last year. I'm now committed to those two plus two others already lol.

Such is the fate of a hockey nut! I will probably be in the same boat this year.

[Tim]

Such is the fate of a hockey nut! I will probably be in the same boat this year.

I just can't help myself lol.

[Tim]

We held spots for two leagues (32 people) and only 21 have chosen a league even after sending them pms and emails. Anybody who wants to join go on ahead. Just go and say which league you want in this thread if you want to join: http://www.leftwinglock.com/showthread.php?3694-Which-league-do-you-want-to-be-in

[flubber]

We held spots for two leagues (32 people) and only 21 have chosen a league even after sending them pms and emails. Anybody who wants to join go on ahead. Just go and say which league you want in this thread if you want to join: http://www.leftwinglock.com/showthread.php?3694-Which-league-do-you-want-to-be-in


Makes sense... Some of those folks will probably show up but it's pretty certain that some won't and it makes no sense to keep waiting. If people cannot respond when prompted it seems better to get people that are active now so we can get going. I know there will probably be a work stoppage but to me that's irrelevant.. We need to be ready in case there isn't one or it ends up being short

[Rocketman9]

Makes sense... Some of those folks will probably show up but it's pretty certain that some won't and it makes no sense to keep waiting. If people cannot respond when prompted it seems better to get people that are active now so we can get going. I know there will probably be a work stoppage but to me that's irrelevant.. We need to be ready in case there isn't one or it ends up being short

Yeah I believe we should get going soon, just in case some miracle does happen. The whole players are doing this for the fans is such a PR ploy. I hate to say it, but the more I read on this (and I have read alot) and after the press conferences yesterday I am starting to side with the owners on this one.

[internalprime8]

Not really the right topic but this thread has been a little dead lately anyway. Personally I am still siding with the players. The owners got everything they wanted outright with the CBA 7 years ago and now they are the ones refusing to continue to play under that same CBA? The rich owners have no qualms about paying 100 million dollar contracts for 15 years, just look at Philadelphia and Minnesota. It's the owners in small markets that frankly can't afford the salary floor and have no defense against bullying rich owners with the ceiling as high as it is.

The players have acknowledged the issue in their proposals while the owners continue to ignore the facts and insist solely on the idea that the players should bear the full brunt of the costs. You can't just keep putting a bandaid on the problem or we'll continue to see lockout after lockout. Yes, the players are millionaires but the ones that are going to be hurting from the new proposals are not the Crosbys and the Ovetchkins, it's the 2nd liners down who will be seeing the cuts.

[cbxero]

Not really the right topic but this thread has been a little dead lately anyway. Personally I am still siding with the players. The owners got everything they wanted outright with the CBA 7 years ago and now they are the ones refusing to continue to play under that same CBA? The rich owners have no qualms about paying 100 million dollar contracts for 15 years, just look at Philadelphia and Minnesota. It's the owners in small markets that frankly can't afford the salary floor and have no defense against bullying rich owners with the ceiling as high as it is.

The players have acknowledged the issue in their proposals while the owners continue to ignore the facts and insist solely on the idea that the players should bear the full brunt of the costs. You can't just keep putting a bandaid on the problem or we'll continue to see lockout after lockout. Yes, the players are millionaires but the ones that are going to be hurting from the new proposals are not the Crosbys and the Ovetchkins, it's the 2nd liners down who will be seeing the cuts.

The problem is that the league revenues and the salary cap were all "artificially" increased by the Canadian dollar. Think about how poorly the Canadian teams revenues looked when our dollar was at $0.60. Now that it's at par, our teams are supporting the bottom-feeders because they leaped to the top of the pile on dollar value alone. Bettman has dodged the issue since the start by refusing to admit he didn't see this problem coming. He re-negotiated last time for a 54% players share on revenues of $2.2 billion or less, and probably crapped his pants when he realized the dollar was on the rise. Now the league loses another 3% of revenue per year, and he's decided that's not good enough anymore.

The salary cap is an issue, yes. But the problem isn't in how it was negotiated the first time, the problem is that no one took the time to say "what if?". The cap was never supposed to be this high, and those outrageous contracts weren't supposed to happen. I think the PA either saw something that the league didn't, or they got really lucky.

That being said, if someone walked into my office and announced they wanted us to come back to work tomorrow but make 24% less, I'd probably snap.

[Rocketman9]

I would be looking for employment elsewhere.

[Leafs]

I don't side with any of them. They're all greedy and clearly aren't that interested in working out a deal. It's not like this snuck u on them. They couldn't have forgotten it was coming. There was just no sense of urgency in the negotiations at all. I read an article that said the league would actually prefer to miss October financially as they always lose the most money that month being that they are competing with not just the NFL, but the world series as well.


We'll just have to enjoy juniors and the AHL.

[Tim]

I don't side with any of them. They're all greedy and clearly aren't that interested in working out a deal. It's not like this snuck u on them. They couldn't have forgotten it was coming. There was just no sense of urgency in the negotiations at all. I read an article that said the league would actually prefer to miss October financially as they always lose the most money that month being that they are competing with not just the NFL, but the world series as well.


We'll just have to enjoy juniors and the AHL.

I agree with Leafs. I have them all classified in the same category. It sucks because I want to see them learn from this by the casual fans not coming back, but at the same time I want the sport to grow.

[amarius87]

is there a league still open?? i got a message in august but didnt check untill now? also is there are a fee or free league?

[flubber]

Two leagues have drafted already-- If anyone else wants to they could start one.. our two leagues are free but any new league will be decided by whomever sets it up-- see the LWL Summary thread opening post for details of what happened with the two leagues